Curse

Gift3d · Oct 01, 2010, 09:42 PM // 21:42

I believe it's the only way to make this filthy disgrace of talentless garbage and grieving nuisances a viable option as "something to do" for the players who know better. At the moment it's a steaming cesspool of worthless shit, because good players such as myself stay far away from it, like i said, because i know better.

I know anyone with half a brain does the same, for beyond obvious reasons that i don't need to go on and name. Just saying, it's a quick and on-the-fly something to do in this game. As a game that's dying in the worst way, it'd be nice to have something to do since everything else has been thrown down the shitter.

If you disagree with this then i ask you the question. How can there be dishonor in something there is no honor in to begin with?

CronkTheImpaler · Oct 01, 2010, 10:52 PM // 22:52

I think honour is being used rather loosely here. RA has never been high end, and i dont see how it ever will be.

having said that, when you start referring to yourself as "how good you are" at RA then you may want to go outside and chase butterflies or something.

Cronk

Chrisworld · Oct 02, 2010, 12:19 AM // 00:19

Play the damn arena and ignore the people that oppose you? I don't mean put them in ignore, just IGNORE them and play the arena. You're bound to find a good team or two in there sometimes, but it's not perfect.

Besides, RA will never be up to your polished pedestal golden standards because it's just that - random.

Play it and quit moaning over here about it. No one wants to help you with your personal problem you have with parts of the game.

AndroBubbles · Oct 02, 2010, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Good players such as yourself? That statement alone makes me doubt the validity of your opinion. On top of that, my own personal experience makes me think that it's a good think to punish bad behavior. I think it's pretty lame that a person should be able to leave just because my elite is Escape, just because they're under the misconception that it's a horrible elite in RA's context. I think it's a lame idea that a person should be able to leave on a whim and have no repercussions. That said, I think the dishonor system could be improved. Sometimes people will disconnect and 007 out, which can cause dishonor if you've already had a leave counted against you.

Luminarus · Oct 02, 2010, 03:17 AM // 03:17

The issue with dishonor is that you can leave a couple of matches every hour or so and your alright. Also the 10 minutes break isnt that big a deal because it means you can go hit the head, or grab something to eat.

The bigger issue with it is leechers/griefers. If only one person reports you get dishonor yourself. They need to have a system in place where if you report someone and they dont do anything for 20 seconds and arent dc'd then they get dishonor points and you dont.

Benderama · Oct 02, 2010, 03:47 AM // 03:47

dishonorable is meant to stop bots/leechers e.t.c. from repeatedley getting into games. it doesn't do anything for people who play PvP normally (and to do that you'd need a competent computer). why not just ask all your team to resign, or wait under 2 minutes for your team to be slaughtered?

neighto · Oct 02, 2010, 03:59 AM // 03:59

I say we get rid of them "holier then thou" players from the game not just a certain area.. but hey thats my opinion

RA is fine the way it is.. you get good random teams, you get bad random teams.. you win, you lose...yes there's the occasional leecher/griefer but hey.. thats why its random.

my only suggestion to the change of dishonor would be to make it automatic if you load up and bail out cause you dont have a monk, or whatever "perfect" team set up there.

No questions you leave a match you get dishonor. no grace for being a jerkwad and leaving the other 3 people there to try to fight, or resign etc.

Moonstalker · Oct 02, 2010, 04:00 AM // 04:00

I'm fine with it the way it is. It's broken, anyway, in one way or another. You can choose which ways those are. I get the usual trollers in RA. The people who bring run skills and just sprint around the maps until the time runs out, or whatever, and I don't want to waste my time so I leave, and get dishonored, but that, to me, is just a sign to cool down, and make a sandwich or something. But whatever. To each their arrogant-self own.

Reverend Dr · Oct 02, 2010, 04:47 AM // 04:47

/report day 1

Got on vent. Synced into RA. Reported numerous people. Got 0 dishonor.

It was then that I knew this system was beautiful.

Lord Dagon · Oct 02, 2010, 04:57 AM // 04:57

Why remove penalties? that jsut doesnt make sense. Thats just asking for people to go in and leech points...

Divine Ashes · Oct 02, 2010, 05:21 AM // 05:21

Yeah let's make an already crappy arena even crappier by allowing those terrible players/leechers/leavers to get away with it all. Sound logic there.

Making the penalties worse would be a lot better than removing them altogether.

Shayne Hawke · Oct 02, 2010, 06:17 AM // 06:17

If it weren't two in the morning already, I would do a search to find an idea similar to this that has been proposed before, because I'm so sure that it has. Can't be arsed to do it right now, maybe I will after I've slept. Anyways,

Closed.

Edit: Actually, all I could find were suggestions for changing the dishonor system or removing it altogether. There was nothing about specifically removing it from RA. Re-opening this thread for now.

I thought that the original intent of the dishonor system was to prevent people from immediately ditching a terrible team in RA so that they could eventually roll something that works. I'm aware that the system is fairly flawed, but I don't see removing it from the arena that it was primarily meant to police as a good move.

colosusjokers · Oct 02, 2010, 03:41 PM // 15:41

Considering posts I have seen from gifted so far I think the system works to some degree at least in keeping griefers out. I can honestly see him doing nothing but giving whoever has the misfortune of being grouped with him a bunch of crap. Even if it's a decent team.

There should be a penalty added however for people that just go around reporting people as leaching even though they aren't. Other than that it makes no difference to me.

Gift3d · Oct 02, 2010, 07:52 PM // 19:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisworld

Play the damn arena and ignore the people that oppose you? I don't mean put them in ignore, just IGNORE them and play the arena. You're bound to find a good team or two in there sometimes, but it's not perfect.

Besides, RA will never be up to your polished pedestal golden standards because it's just that - random.

Play it and quit moaning over here about it. No one wants to help you with your personal problem you have with parts of the game.

I'm not sure what kind of hallucinogens you're on, but i'm 100% positive you've got the wrong picture here entirely. I'm just saying by adding dishonorable players are forced to waste their time. I will spell it out for, since that's obviously what i have to do, in order to make you understand. Wasting time for reasons such as:
-Getting worthless teammates without secondaries vs mo/me/w/a teams
-Grievers on your team who run around the map for 7 minutes after your team of secondarylesss scrubs get facerolled, forcing you to stay in the match while they run in circles.
-Healing eachother to death for 8 minutes without a single kill

Also, no one's moaning, and this is an improvement i see fit in guild wars. Not personal. You need to brush up on your English comprehension skills, either that or you read the wrong post. Mine's up there, the first one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benderama

dishonorable is meant to stop bots/leechers e.t.c. from repeatedley getting into games. it doesn't do anything for people who play PvP normally (and to do that you'd need a competent computer). why not just ask all your team to resign, or wait under 2 minutes for your team to be slaughtered?

People in RA do not resign. Ever. You'll always have the brave wammo who thinks it's him vs. the world, running around breezing himself asking sins for 1v1s. Must've tried dozens of times when i played and i can't ever remember it working once, and i suspect now to be no different.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tobi Madera

Why remove penalties? that jsut doesnt make sense. Thats just asking for people to go in and leech points...

I think you misread, also. I suggested to remove dishonor, not the /report command. Makes sense, right? Go figure.

Skye Marin · Oct 02, 2010, 10:31 PM // 22:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gift3d

Wasting time for reasons such as:
-Getting worthless teammates without secondaries vs mo/me/w/a teams
-Grievers on your team who run around the map for 7 minutes after your team of secondarylesss scrubs get facerolled, forcing you to stay in the match while they run in circles.
-Healing eachother to death for 8 minutes without a single kill

People in RA do not resign. Ever.

Sounds like you have bad luck. Usually if my team has someone quit or has two or more healing monks, everyone resigns in the first minute, or we lose in the first 2. Also, I usually enter than scenario maybe once every half-hour, which means that if I have to quit out, I don't get dishonor because previous points go away with time. You only get dishonor if you quit out twice in an hour.

If wasting time is your concern, you should be happy that some random asshole can't waste your time by quitting your team when they join just because they feel like it.

Horus Moonlight · Oct 02, 2010, 11:22 PM // 23:22

RA back before the dishonor system was MUCH worse than what it is now. It might be a flawed in certain ways but it is still better than the alternative.

Chocobo1 · Oct 03, 2010, 12:11 AM // 00:11

Yeah, I'd love dishonor removed but honestly It's just trading one shitty system for another. Either people are forced to stay on bad teams, or your monk leaves when you zone in because he didn't sync with his friend. Or your team mate doesn't like the fact you have a paragon on your team so he leaves. It's all retarded, just leave it as it is tbh.

Jeydra · Oct 03, 2010, 01:24 AM // 01:24

I'd much rather play with bad players than with so-called good players who leave every match before it begins.

Missing HB · Oct 03, 2010, 07:45 AM // 07:45

Point is then , people who're trying to sync will just leave at begin , people having no monk , 4 melee , etc will do same and the arena will become even more crap than it is atm , so id rather keep dishonor like it is
/notsigned

Morphy · Oct 03, 2010, 08:36 AM // 08:36

Yeah, I miss the old days where if you had a bad team you would just gtfo.

/signed